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Posted by: Genomic Repairman
Posted on: Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 3:24 pm CST

Overlord, you will and always be, my favorite network administrator/technology sugardaddy.  Keep up the work.  Everybody may read the Daily Scan but I had no fucking idea what it is.

Posted by: Suzy
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 6:13 pm CST

I am guessing because GR's article was short, rather than paraphrase, he used the direct quotes. It was kinda lazy of the editor. It's usually not like that. I bet he was trying to meet a deadline. They should have picked a different article rather than just quote the entire article, so I can see your point. I would be surprised if you hear back from them, though I would be interested to know if you do.

Unfortunately, I'm trained to be a business woman which means that I see things through green colored glasses.  My mind goes right into marketing/networking mode and GenomeWeb plugs are worth their views in gold. A banner ad on that site is silly expensive. 

Tideliar - it's not worth so much anger. It's just a difference in viewing what GenomeWeb does. They usually do summarize the blog they are plugging.  I wasn't upset about it. I know that Brian has the best intentions in mind always.

Brian- please continue to look out for us - it's ok to be suspicious and check into things if you think they are attempting to steal content.

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 5:50 pm CST

Tiddles, Stop taking everything I say so seriously.  I wouldn't say Tiddles if I was being serious.  I'll just let everyone handle their own stuff from now on.  Sorry everyone.

Posted by: Tideliar
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 5:42 pm CST

So now I can fuck off too? Nice editorial tone you're setting there mate.

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 5:33 pm CST

LOL, I've seen people threatened for less, Tiddles.  I had CNN send me an e-mail telling me to cease and desist copying their first paragraphs for my news links so I don't post any more stuff from them.

Of course I'm not going to pursue this further, but fuck off for getting mad at me for looking out for you guys, Tiddles.  I wasn't attacking Jade.  There's an ongoing joke about Jade's secret employer, and I think the next comment made that clear.

Posted by: Tideliar
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 5:26 pm CST

"Copying a comment word for word is copyright infringement, Jade.  They could be sued for this.

Their reach isn't much greater than ours anyway.  I don't know why you're defending their stupidity so much.  Do you work for them?"

 

Grow the fuck up!

Libel? Are you fucking shitting me?! Over a fucking blog-plug? Have you any idea what irresponsible piss that is? WHo the fuck is goiung to sue them Brian? You? Good fucking luck with that.

And WTF are you attacking Jade for? Bcause she disagreed with you>?

Jesus, this fucking place is daft sometimes.

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 5:12 pm CST

Obviously I'm only angry that they lifted the entire comment!  I wouldn't care if they paraphrased or stook snippets.  It's a lazy practice and I don't support it.

There's no form of a CC icon or link on GR's page.  Currently, the only person on this site with a CC badge is Angry_Scientist. I'm just trying to protect the rights of the bloggers and the commentors who haven't released their content under such a liscense.

Becca, I would have no problem with what DM did to link back to your blog.

Posted by: Jason Goldman
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 4:17 pm CST

I'm with BB, Jade, and Becca on this as well. Most Creative Commons licenses, which is what most of us use, allow works to be reproduced, even verbatim, as long as attribution is given and isn't used commercially. This, for example, is the CC license I use, which is the most restrictive one possible: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

I don't like this kind of behavior, but there's not much that can be done to prevent it (as long as attribution is given, etc etc), as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Genomic Repairman
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 1:55 pm CST

Somebody fucking pay me!
Posted by: Dr Becca, Ph.D.
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 1:02 pm CST

Wait, are you mad that the post is mostly snippets of GR's with no commentary, or are you mad about the lifting of Dr Pelech's comment? Or both? I don't really see a problem with the former, as it's all linked and quoted and whatnot, and if what DS does is just direct people's attention to interesting things going on elsewhere in the blogosphere, then that's what they do. Like BB says, DrugMonkey does this all the time--I mean, he did it with my blog back when I was just starting out and frankly, I couldn't have been more thrilled.

I do agree that copy-pasting the whole comment right into the body of the post is a little weird. However, I highly doubt that it qualifies as copyright infringement, let alone justifies legal action.

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 11:20 am CST

Here's a new rule on LabSpaces.  Always get permission if you're going to copy an entire quote word for word without paraphrasing or providing any commentary. The law of fair use is very clear!  I've been making webpages since I was in 8th grade and I have always gotten permission for content or material that was not my own. It's proper etiquette.

In this case, the comment is cited but there's no commentary on it. Dr. Pelech's quote could have been easily summarized in a few sentences.  What's done here is just lazy and inappropriate. The summary of GR's work is 163 words. The stolen comment is 346 words.

Posted by: biochem belle
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 11:00 am CST

Sorry, guys, I'm with Jade Ed on this. The 'journalistic integrity' bit would be vaiid if they didn't cite the source or linkback to GR's post. And copyright infringement only works if you actually claim copyright--which is why many bloggers have started adding Creative Commons copyright usage agreements on their pages. There are many bloggers who do this sort of thing (Drugmonkey comes to mind) to point people to interesting posts they've read.

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 9:31 am CST

You have so many secrets and persona's, Jade, it's hard to know who you work for :P  You're like the 007 of biotech ;)

Posted by: Suzy
Posted on: Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 7:18 am CST

LOL- No, I don't work for them.

 

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 11:18 pm CST

Copying a comment word for word is copyright infringement, Jade.  They could be sued for this.

Their reach isn't much greater than ours anyway.  I don't know why you're defending their stupidity so much.  Do you work for them?

Posted by: Suzy
Posted on: Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 10:52 pm CST

They're not stealing- they're featuring.

They just take an excerpt and make it tantalizing enough to get people to click back to the actual article.

I am surprised you don't see an uptick. We always had huge # of visits when we got plugged. Maybe because it is Thanksgiving and most people are not checking their work email.

Their reach to the scientific community is huge- they can give the labspaces page the kind of exposure that twitter could never do. They will introduce LabSpaces to thousands of new people, including a huge number of marketing people that could be potential advertisers. Seriously.  My company would pay to get a mention on the Daily Scan but they don't work that way. You have to be picked.

You have to have an article that is interesting, insightful, funny, and original to get picked. With the abundance of science bloggers now, they can choose from so many so when they choose you, it means something.

Everyone in the industry gets the Daily Scan. Everyone.

 

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 10:12 pm CST

Linkbacks from genomeweb have never been over 200 for a day.  They could not link to us and I'd be fine with it if this is the kind of journalistic integrity they have.

Stealing people's stuff is not cool or good, Jade.

Posted by: Suzy
Posted on: Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 9:49 pm CST

Nah- that's how GenomeWeb works. They pick the coolest articles in the blogging community and then put them together in an email called "The Daily Scan" that goes to maybe 100,000 people. Maybe 50,000? Not sure but its a lot.

Holly had one of her LabSpaces articles picked up a while ago - I was excited for her. On my other blog site, we used to get picked all the time. Our views went up five to ten fold when it did. And colleagues from all over biotech would contact me to say they saw my article.

GenomeWeb just takes a portion of the article to draw in the readers and get them to click through. And they pick maybe only 5 of their favorite blogs to feature for the day. It's really cool to get picked up.  The editor really liked the article- that's why he or she chose it.

It's a good thing when GenomeWeb thinks your article is the best on the web.

 

Posted by: Dr. O
Posted on: Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 6:24 pm CST

I just saw this, and all I can say is... Really?? Seriously??!? What kind of a blog is this? I've quoted excerpts from other peoples' posts before, giving proper credit of course, but it's generally accompanied by some, well, original thought or opinion of my own. I can't even figure out what the writer thinks of this whole thing. This is effin' ridiculous.

Posted by: Evie
Posted on: Wed, Nov 24, 2010, 2:53 pm CST

Agreed, well said.

Posted by: Genomic Repairman
Posted on: Wed, Nov 24, 2010, 2:09 pm CST

Nice comment on the post.

Posted by: Genomic Repairman
Posted on: Wed, Nov 24, 2010, 11:40 am CST

Firing off snarky tweet in 3..2..1..

Posted by: Brian Krueger, PhD
Posted on: Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 3:24 pm CST

http://www.genomeweb.com/blog/something-you-dont-see-every-day-anymore

WTF is their deal? This is pretty ballsy. We're not going to write their fucking blog for them.

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